Winter Is Coming, Bitches

littleshebear:

I don’t know how many of you are aware of this but Linda and Elio feature on Sky Atlantic’s Thronecast, a short featurette that follows each episode. They’re introduced as “Elio and Linda of Westeros.org,”just so everyone knows what website they run.

I find this interesting because they both get some really quite high-profile publicity from the distributors of the show, a show that she has trashed repeatedly and publicly. A show who’s fans (you know, Sky and HBO’s customer base) she takes an increasingly unhinged delight in trolling and insulting. If Linda really believes what she’s saying, if she truly believes this stuff, do you think she’d ever say stuff like this on Thronecast?

You know what Linda? Do it. Say this stuff on Thronecast, stand up for yourself and the canon material you so love. Own your words! Stand by them! Tell everyone how this show should never have a POC in the cast, ever. Tell everyone how totally not racist this is, tell everyone that book purism is far more important than hiring a POC actor (even if they did the best audition). Tell everyone how stupid you think Nina Gold and the rest of the casting crew are for hiring Oona Chaplin, Nonso Anozie and Lucian Msamati. Fight back against political correctness gone MAAAAAAAAAD. It’ll be worth it, think how many more people you’ll reach than you do on tumblr. Spread your message of racism purism!

And while you’re at it, why don’t you use this platform to complain about the other things that irk you, the other changes? Opine on what a “travesty” Cersei is in the show. Tell them how you could do it better, tell them about ALL the things they’ve done wrong.

You could also take the opportunity to tell them how stupid a good portion of the fanbase is and don’t mince your words! Tell everyone what a bunch of “little girls” we are, make it known that we are “retarded” and “cunts.” Tell everyone about our “cunt-stained fingers” while you’re at it. Don’t pull your punches. Tell the world why we’re “pond scum” for having a different opinion on fanfic than GRRM. Tell them how we deserve to be insulted in the most sexist and ablist manner just for criticizing a site that allows posters to call for the rape and torture of female characters. Like I said, we’re a good portion of HBO/Sky’s customers but fuck it, they need to be told. This shit’s important.

I’m sure HBO/Sky would be thrilled to know what you really think of the show and its viewers. I’m sure they’d be falling over themselves to associate with you and give you and your site more free publicity if they knew.

Go on. Stick it to the man. Fight the good fight.

I find this interesting because they both…

I second this! Bravo.

hippoiathanatoi:

The entitlement issues plaguing certain elements around here show themselves in the most amusing ways. First, they insist that only they can define what racism is. Now, they insist that only they can define what fan fiction is.

Now, its Wikipedia and we all know what that means, but I rather like the start of the entry for fan fiction:

“Fan fiction (alternatively referred to as fanfiction, fanfic, FF, or fic) is a broadly-defined term for fan labor regarding stories about characters or settings written by fans of the original work, rather than by the original creator.”

Then note the entry for fan labor:

“Fan labor is a term used to refer to the productive creative activities engaged in by fans, primarily those of various media properties or musical groups.^[1][2] These activities can include creation of written works (fictional, fan fictional and review literature), visual or computer-assisted art, music, or applied arts and costuming.”

Character descriptions for a MUSH are definitely not stories. Backgrounds written for a character are not necessarily stories, though could be depending on how they are written. If you define the usual type of background for a game as a story, then you probably need to define a character writeup on Wikipedia as a story too.

I wouldn’t, but hey, I am sensible.

So, fan labor, not fan fiction.

But, ultimately, what matters is not whether something or not is fan fiction, what matters is whether the owner of the copyright in question allows it or not.

If an author says fine, knock yourself out. If an author has said nothing, ask. If an author has said no, don’t do it.

(If the author is dead and the work no longer under copyright, knock yourself out.)

Its common fucking courtesy. Someone created something you love, and you think its fine to shit all over their wishes? Not to mention their legally supported wishes. If you are a fan artist, do you like it when someone takes your art and draws dicks all over it and puts it up on their own website? I see plenty of fan artists whose notes for how their work can be used includes “no modifications allowed”.

GRRM has said yes to our MUSH, he has said yes to fan art, he has licensed a comic, he has licensed an RPG, he has licensed a show. He has said he is not fine with people writing fan fiction.

Oh, and twatcollective? Just because we don’t use book characters doesn’t mean we don’t stick to what’s canon in the setting. Which means no black nobles native-born to Westeros. I’ve already explained in plenty of detail why that is way too unlikely. But again, you don’t really see anything expect what you want to see.

Alright Linda, I’m going to say this once and I hope maybe it will sink in for you:

no1curr

None of the people you constantly berate on tumblr care about what you have to say except when it’s racist, sexist and just plain offensive because as the owner of the biggest ASOIAF website on the internet, your behavior is unprofessional and your attitude disgusting.

But when it comes to fanfiction and the so-called rules of fandom? We don’t give a shit.

And that’s what bothers you, isn’t it. For many years westeros.org was the only major online presence concerning ASOIAF. You and Elio have been lodged firmly up GRRM’s ass for so long that you were even thanked in ADWD. People in general respect your opinions regarding the series, lord knows why. You’ve been able to use your connections to George to abuse people on amazon and have websites you dislike taken down.

Suddenly the show comes along and there’s a whole new part of the fandom that doesn’t give a flying fuck what you think. Some take it even further and laugh at you and mock you constantly. They have their own place on tumblr and ONTD, they don’t need your site.

And it’s not just that we laugh at you. We do everything westeros.org frowns upon. We write and read fan-fiction without shame, ship anything and everything that moves, make fun of GRRM when he’s being an Absolute Fucker (which is most of the time) and don’t take the author’s word as gospel.

You might be able to complain to tumblr and get some of our posts removed like you did with your Second Life pr0n but in the end it doesn’t matter. We’ll just continue as if nothing ever happened because we’re having too much fun being shit-stains of the earth.

That must be so annoying.

Well, get the fuck over it. No one on tumblr is going anywhere. No one is going to take anything you say seriously. No one is going to stop writing fan-fiction. And as long as you go on insensible rants that would be offensive if they weren’t so ridiculous, we will continue to flaunt it publicly because your rage is just so hilarious.

Give me your tears, Lindaaa. Give me your sweet, sweet tears.

hippoiathanatoi:

Aww, look at little fantastwatcollective, trying to defend fan-fiction. Its kind of funny. No, not kind of. Its really hilarious.

Just accept that you’re a sad cunt for supporting an activity that most likely is illegal (yeah, I know it hasn’t been proven either way in court, but there’s plenty of well-informed opinions that support that it would found be illegal if tested) and definitely very rude and a good sign of someone being a shitstain on the world when it goes against an author’s wishes.

George owns his setting. He owns his characters. He has the right to license any projects he wants and to deny licenses to other. Playing favourites? Aww, sad that you can’t write your Jon/Robb porn to get off all on you own? Seriously, get your cunt-stained fingers off characters that you have no right to use.

Also, for fuck’s sake, learn English. Fan-fiction. Notice the fiction part? Its not art (that’s fan-art, see the trend?), its not anything else that isn’t fiction.

I know there are some books there that have been accused of being roleplay sessions turned into stories, but for the most part…yeah, not the same thing. Fictional, maybe, but not fiction.

I might also add, not that my intended audience has enough reading comprehension to get it, that we do not use book characters on our game simply because its something most authors — even when they approve of their settings being used — are uncomfortable with.

How about you go write some slashfiction about your neighbour’s children? I am sure you can masturbate to that too.

LOL WTF at the last line. What does that have to do with anything.

But honestly, I don’t give a fuck about the legality of fanfiction. I would support it even if it was illegal, much like I support online piracy. You can whinge on about the rights of the authors all you want but I will never see it as anything but an author being butthurt that someone else is playing with their precious toy. They can get the fuck over it.

Also, learn English? That’s rich coming from someone who supposedly runs a translation business but can’t even translate one story into English.

I look forward to your future ramblings, Linda.

hippoiathanatoi:

It is like an early Christmas present, watching the little girls as they try to say that there’s nothing wrong with unauthorised fan-fiction.

When someone makes up a setting and characters, its their toys. They decide who gets to play with them and in what ways. Because, you know, they own them.

In some cases, a person might say “look but don’t touch”. Then you shouldn’t take one of the toys and bend it over while you shove another toy up its ass, not even if you think it was mean of them to just show you the toys. You can go off and play in another sandbox if you don’t like the rules.

Got that, little girls?

Wow, how fucking dense are you. While I’m sure you understand how condescending ‘little girls’ is, that’s why you used it, you are not helping your case when it comes to sexism in any way.